Have you done much study in regards to how the early church fathers viewed the book of Revelation?? I know the book was not universally accepted but I was wondering of those that embraced the book did they interpret it from a futurist, historisist, or preterist view?
I am reading a book titled "The Parousia" coupled with Hank's new book "The Apocalypse Code" which view The Olivet Discourse and the Book of Revelation from a Preterist/semi-preterist perspective. In criticizing LaHay and other "prophecy experts" they are both quick to point out that dispensational-premellinalims is relatively new on the scene so I was wondering how late in the game did preterist belief take to surface in the church? Also, they both attack Ireneaus for dating the Book of Revelation erroneously at 95 AD. What are your thoughts on when the book was written since the preterists position rises and falls on when the book was written? - Kevin S.
This, I must say, is an interesting and amusing question for me. It is not the first time I have been questioned on this issue. I will only be able to give you a short answer. You can read my Personal Comments on Revelation at the bottom of the page.
First, I am not an expert in this area - not in the early church thinking and even less when it comes to understanding and having a credible idea about Revelation. In fact, I really do not have a good working knowledge of the terms you are using: preterist, semi-preterist, dispensational-premillenialists, etc.
This is just not my cup of tea. I have never been convinced of any particular position on this stuff. I call myself a "pan-millenialist," - I believe it will all "pan" out in the end - God is sovereign and He will do what He wants.
Jewish Apocalypticism:
To begin a conversation about the early church view of The Revelation of John we need an Introduction to Jewish Apocalypticism.
Apocalypticism and messianism originated in ancient Judaism. Apocalypticism is a combination of several core beliefs about the metaphysical world, including a conviction in the imminent end of history. The first apocalypses date from the Hellenistic [Greek] world in the 4th century BC. During this period comes the early Enoch literature and the biblical book of Daniel. The Messianic theme is the expectation of an end-time Messiah who will bring a positive and authoritative end to the present world, yet will also bring a "new" world order. Apocalyptic speculation and messianic expectation (to some degree) led to and survived three failed Jewish revolts against Rome (66-73AD, 115-117AD, and 132-135AD).
Typically apocalyptic writings included the use of symbolism, visions, angels (or other heavenly messengers), highly charged imagery (demonic beasts, sea creatures, strange animal/human beings seen typically as the enemy of God's people. The meta-message (over-arching reason for the writing) is usually an encouragement to God's people that:
1) God is in control
2) We are involved in a cataclysmic/spiritual war with evil forces
3) Some of God's people will suffer; others will be judged
4) God/Messiah/Jesus will be victorious
[The first paragraph was an adaptation from the Oxford Bibliographies]
One difficulty with Jewish Apocalypticism is that Gnostic writings in the second/third centuries borrowed and used some of these themes. Gnosticism is not easily defined. Typically each Gnostic group/leader developed their own unique dogma, thus it was not a unified movement and sometimes held very divergent views. Gnostic writings were oftentimes a combination of Old Testament concepts, New Testament characters/language/content, Greek philosophical concepts and some aspects from the Greco-Roman mystery religions. For most readers the Gnostic writings are strange when compared to the New Testament. Having said this, there were early Jewish and Christian writings that were similar to Gnostic writings and were embraced by some/many Christians: 1 Enoch, The Shepherd of Hermas, Apocalypse of Peter, Apocalypse of Paul and several others. The NT Revelation fits into this category of literature.
The Revelation had difficulty making it into the NT canon for a few reasons. One was that authorship was not certain (similar to the letter to the Hebrews [See our discussion on the authorship of Hebrews]). But another reason was the strange nature of the writing. As you can see above, the Revelation suffered from being seen as something like the Gnostic writings - few church leaders in the primitive church claimed to know or understand what the writer was trying to say. Some of the early fathers thought he was describing current events of his day and the struggle against Rome. Some thought he was describing the future. Eusebius (who was far more skeptical) cites Dionysius of Alexandria, from his work "On the Promises," as saying about the Revelation:
Dec 17, 2014 - Comments sent by a reader:
The assumption that the illiterate are unable to understand the Book of Revelation is probably false for two reasons: Our problem with all the vials/wrath etc. is because the symbolism is foreign to us, but was it to the first readers? Secondly pre-literate societies have an ability to retain and process words heard in a way that we have lost.
Thank you for your good comments.
Allow me to agree with you on a basic level:
- people in pre-literate (or illiterate) cultures CAN typically hold onto verbal cues and remember symbols better than those who both read and write
- early Christians did understand the basic message of John's Revelation
Now to where I disagree:
- Those living in the first century were not "pre-literate." Writing and communication via the written word was the norm in both the Jewish and the Roman worlds. They had legal documents - all legal documents had to be in writing. The Jews had a very detailed legal code in addition to and explaining the Law of Moses - as we do today with technical details of cases and why certain judgements were made. So I do not like referring to the Roman-Jewish first century world as pre-literate.
- The average person on the streets in the first century could read a sign in the market: "3 oranges for a shekel," but to think that such a person understood the meaning of how many cubits the Temple in heaven will be???
- Did the average person on the streets in first century Jerusalem understand the vials being emptied? Do you think the average person understood the book of Enoch? I seriously doubt it. (As I sit here I cannot remember what, if anything the measurements of the city walls is supposed to communicate...I seem to remember hearing someone teach on this one time as a young man)
- The disciples of Jesus (who walked around with Him every...single...day) did not understand the parable of the sower!! You think they understood the meaning of the seven-headed beast?
- The first century Jews had "teachers of the law," basically lawyers who debated and wrote daily on the minutiae of the Law. The average person living in the 21st century can get quickly get lost in our law. The average illiterate, first century Jew was lost with their Law as well.
The Revelation had a difficult time coming into the New Testament canon partly due to the difficulty in understanding the writing. Many of the early fathers give positive citations from the work, mostly using straightforward texts from the first 4-5 chapters.
Eusebius (who was far more skeptical) cites Dionysius of Alexandria, from his work "On the Promises," as saying about the Revelation:
Dionysius was the bishop of Alexandria and considered a scholarly man.
Note he is not saying that the Revelation should be rejected - he is actually arguing against rejecting it, for some were against the Revelation as a document to be read in church. He is saying it has deep meaning, but he admits that he does not understand it.
My PhD work was on Clement of Alexandria. If you look at his NT citations you find a HUGE amount of citations/allusions. The index I have shows over 300 citations from Matthew, over 200 citations from 1 Corinthians, and only 8 citations from the Revelation - only 1 of these came from the interior of the apocalyptic work. None of these citations come with any comment - just a reference to "24 elders" or "the Alpha and Omega."
My point? Clement is one of the most prolific early fathers when it comes to citing the NT texts, yet almost completely ignores the Revelation. While there are probably scholarly reasons for this, it makes the point: the early church fathers did not spend a great deal of time trying to figure it out.
The exception was Shepherd of Hermas. This document makes dozens of references from the Revelation, but Shepherd is also an apocalyptic document, filled with symbolism.
While the basic message of the work is clear, the details are certainly not clear. It is, in fact, part of why it is referred to as apocalypticism. I hope this helps.
Al Baker, Ph.D.
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